Rodney,

Please post any info you get:  they only ones I've seen are the junky 
ones from orange micro and so forth.  Too big to be useful.

On Feb 8, 2004, at 7:50 PM, rodney wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am shopping for USB-2 cameras. Anyone got one they recommend or,
> conversely, warn people not to buy?
>
> I'd prefer one small enough to mount on a HMD but with an okay image
> quality.
>
> I'm going to use it under windows XP.
>
> Rod.
>
> Rodney Berry
> ATR Media Information Science Laboratories
> Kyoto Japan
> rodney@a ........
> http://www.mis.atr.co.jp/~rodney
> Ph:   +81-774-95-1449
> Fax:  +81-774-95-1408
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>

Actually, the ADS one is one I bought;  I can't say much good about it,  
since my WinXP box bluescreens when I try to access it. :(

I've also noticed that annoying bit about USB 2.0 labels on USB 1.1  
devices -- logitech does that, so all their USB 1.1 cameras are  
labelled "USB 2.0 compatible" ... of course, they actually work (unlike  
the ADS one) so I can't say too much bad about them.



On Feb 8, 2004, at 10:11 PM, Hartmut Seichter wrote:

> Blair MacIntyre wrote:
>> Rodney,
>> Please post any info you get:  they only ones I've seen are the junky  
>> ones from orange micro and so forth.  Too big to be useful.
>
> To follow up on this. There is also one from ADS
>
> (http://www.adstech.com/products/USBx2020/intro/USBX2020intro.asp? 
> pid=usbx2020)
>
> apparently similar clunky. And giving the quality of the drivers for  
> their firewire web-camera I would not really suggest them. Also it is  
> not clearly stated which USB 2.0 they mean, as there is nothing like  
> "Turbo USB 2.0"
>
> You should be aware that USB 2.0 includes the former USB 1.1. In a  
> silent move of the USB consortium [1] USB 1.1 devices can also be  
> named USB 2.0 (without any extension) or USB 2.0 Fullspeed ... The USB  
> devices with higher transfer rate are called USB 2.0 Hi-Speed or  
> Hi-Speed USB. Just for the sake of completenes and to prevent anybody  
> to fall in that marketing-blah-blah trap.
>
> Regards,
> Hartmut
>
>
> 1) http://www.usb.org/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Feb 8, 2004, at 7:50 PM, rodney wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am shopping for USB-2 cameras. Anyone got one they recommend or,
>>> conversely, warn people not to buy?
>>>
>>> I'd prefer one small enough to mount on a HMD but with an okay image
>>> quality.
>>>
>>> I'm going to use it under windows XP.
>>>
>>> Rod.
>>>
>>> Rodney Berry
>>> ATR Media Information Science Laboratories
>>> Kyoto Japan
>>> rodney@a ........
>>> http://www.mis.atr.co.jp/~rodney
>>> Ph:   +81-774-95-1449
>>> Fax:  +81-774-95-1408
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>

Hi all,

I am shopping for USB-2 cameras. Anyone got one they recommend or,
conversely, warn people not to buy?

I'd prefer one small enough to mount on a HMD but with an okay image
quality.

I'm going to use it under windows XP.

Rod.

Rodney Berry
ATR Media Information Science Laboratories
Kyoto Japan
rodney@a ........
http://www.mis.atr.co.jp/~rodney
Ph:   +81-774-95-1449
Fax:  +81-774-95-1408

---------------------------------

Blair MacIntyre wrote:
> Rodney,
> 
> Please post any info you get:  they only ones I've seen are the junky 
> ones from orange micro and so forth.  Too big to be useful.
> 

To follow up on this. There is also one from ADS

(http://www.adstech.com/products/USBx2020/intro/USBX2020intro.asp?pid=usbx2020)

apparently similar clunky. And giving the quality of the drivers for 
their firewire web-camera I would not really suggest them. Also it is 
not clearly stated which USB 2.0 they mean, as there is nothing like 
"Turbo USB 2.0"

You should be aware that USB 2.0 includes the former USB 1.1. In a 
silent move of the USB consortium [1] USB 1.1 devices can also be named 
USB 2.0 (without any extension) or USB 2.0 Fullspeed ... The USB devices 
with higher transfer rate are called USB 2.0 Hi-Speed or Hi-Speed USB. 
Just for the sake of completenes and to prevent anybody to fall in that 
marketing-blah-blah trap.

Regards,
Hartmut


1) http://www.usb.org/







> On Feb 8, 2004, at 7:50 PM, rodney wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am shopping for USB-2 cameras. Anyone got one they recommend or,
>> conversely, warn people not to buy?
>>
>> I'd prefer one small enough to mount on a HMD but with an okay image
>> quality.
>>
>> I'm going to use it under windows XP.
>>
>> Rod.
>>
>> Rodney Berry
>> ATR Media Information Science Laboratories
>> Kyoto Japan
>> rodney@a ........
>> http://www.mis.atr.co.jp/~rodney
>> Ph:   +81-774-95-1449
>> Fax:  +81-774-95-1408
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 

Blair MacIntyre wrote:

> Actually, the ADS one is one I bought;  I can't say much good about it,  
> since my WinXP box bluescreens when I try to access it. :(
> 

Similar experiences here with ADS Firewire Cameras.  I did some research 
on that and figured out that all of the Firewire Cameras use the same 
Sony Chipset. So the camera is working with Orange IBot driver. But best 
results I get with the UniBrain Fire-I drivers - even it was PIA to get 
them out of the installer.

My point with that is, that maybe something similar can be done with the 
USB drivers. Maybe the Orange Micro drivers work better with the ADS? I 
did not try that - just take it as a wild guess.


/Hartmut



> I've also noticed that annoying bit about USB 2.0 labels on USB 1.1  
> devices -- logitech does that, so all their USB 1.1 cameras are  
> labelled "USB 2.0 compatible" ... of course, they actually work (unlike  
> the ADS one) so I can't say too much bad about them.
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 8, 2004, at 10:11 PM, Hartmut Seichter wrote:
> 
>> Blair MacIntyre wrote:
>>
>>> Rodney,
>>> Please post any info you get:  they only ones I've seen are the 
>>> junky  ones from orange micro and so forth.  Too big to be useful.
>>
>>
>> To follow up on this. There is also one from ADS
>>
>> (http://www.adstech.com/products/USBx2020/intro/USBX2020intro.asp? 
>> pid=usbx2020)
>>
>> apparently similar clunky. And giving the quality of the drivers for  
>> their firewire web-camera I would not really suggest them. Also it is  
>> not clearly stated which USB 2.0 they mean, as there is nothing like  
>> "Turbo USB 2.0"
>>
>> You should be aware that USB 2.0 includes the former USB 1.1. In a  
>> silent move of the USB consortium [1] USB 1.1 devices can also be  
>> named USB 2.0 (without any extension) or USB 2.0 Fullspeed ... The 
>> USB  devices with higher transfer rate are called USB 2.0 Hi-Speed or  
>> Hi-Speed USB. Just for the sake of completenes and to prevent anybody  
>> to fall in that marketing-blah-blah trap.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hartmut
>>
>>
>> 1) http://www.usb.org/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2004, at 7:50 PM, rodney wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I am shopping for USB-2 cameras. Anyone got one they recommend or,
>>>> conversely, warn people not to buy?
>>>>
>>>> I'd prefer one small enough to mount on a HMD but with an okay image
>>>> quality.
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to use it under windows XP.
>>>>
>>>> Rod.
>>>>
>>>> Rodney Berry
>>>> ATR Media Information Science Laboratories
>>>> Kyoto Japan
>>>> rodney@a ........
>>>> http://www.mis.atr.co.jp/~rodney
>>>> Ph:   +81-774-95-1449
>>>> Fax:  +81-774-95-1408
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> 
> 

There is a specification for digital cameras on Firewire, and this allows
one generic driver under Linux to talk to all DC camera types without any
modifications. This is quite nice because you don't have to worry about
chasing down drivers. No idea what the deal is with Windows, I would have
thought you could have used the generic XP driver instead of using dodgy
manufacturer drivers.

For USB cameras there are absolutely no standards whatsoever for cameras,
and so each manufacturer can and does do whatever they want as long as they
supply a driver - some models which appear the same on the surface have
totally different internals. The problem is that the cameras come and go
quickly, so when the next version of Windows comes out they can't be
bothered releasing new drivers for them.

So with USB cameras your mileage may vary with drivers depending on the
camera and the manufacturer ...

Regards,
Wayne


> Blair MacIntyre wrote:
> 
> > Actually, the ADS one is one I bought;  I can't say much good about it,
> > since my WinXP box bluescreens when I try to access it. :(
> >
> 
> Similar experiences here with ADS Firewire Cameras.  I did some research
> on that and figured out that all of the Firewire Cameras use the same
> Sony Chipset. So the camera is working with Orange IBot driver. But best
> results I get with the UniBrain Fire-I drivers - even it was PIA to get
> them out of the installer.
> 
> My point with that is, that maybe something similar can be done with the
> USB drivers. Maybe the Orange Micro drivers work better with the ADS? I
> did not try that - just take it as a wild guess.
> 
> 
> /Hartmut
> 
> 
> 
> > I've also noticed that annoying bit about USB 2.0 labels on USB 1.1
> > devices -- logitech does that, so all their USB 1.1 cameras are
> > labelled "USB 2.0 compatible" ... of course, they actually work (unlike
> > the ADS one) so I can't say too much bad about them.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 8, 2004, at 10:11 PM, Hartmut Seichter wrote:
> >
> >> Blair MacIntyre wrote:
> >>
> >>> Rodney,
> >>> Please post any info you get:  they only ones I've seen are the
> >>> junky  ones from orange micro and so forth.  Too big to be useful.
> >>
> >>
> >> To follow up on this. There is also one from ADS
> >>
> >> (http://www.adstech.com/products/USBx2020/intro/USBX2020intro.asp?
> >> pid=usbx2020)
> >>
> >> apparently similar clunky. And giving the quality of the drivers for
> >> their firewire web-camera I would not really suggest them. Also it is
> >> not clearly stated which USB 2.0 they mean, as there is nothing like
> >> "Turbo USB 2.0"
> >>
> >> You should be aware that USB 2.0 includes the former USB 1.1. In a
> >> silent move of the USB consortium [1] USB 1.1 devices can also be
> >> named USB 2.0 (without any extension) or USB 2.0 Fullspeed ... The
> >> USB  devices with higher transfer rate are called USB 2.0 Hi-Speed or
> >> Hi-Speed USB. Just for the sake of completenes and to prevent anybody
> >> to fall in that marketing-blah-blah trap.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Hartmut
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) http://www.usb.org/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Feb 8, 2004, at 7:50 PM, rodney wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I am shopping for USB-2 cameras. Anyone got one they recommend or,
> >>>> conversely, warn people not to buy?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd prefer one small enough to mount on a HMD but with an okay image
> >>>> quality.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm going to use it under windows XP.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rod.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rodney Berry
> >>>> ATR Media Information Science Laboratories
> >>>> Kyoto Japan
> >>>> rodney@a ........
> >>>> http://www.mis.atr.co.jp/~rodney
> >>>> Ph:   +81-774-95-1449
> >>>> Fax:  +81-774-95-1408
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
> >