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And what if the firmware has a bug?
Roughly stated, painting with some broad strokes, the Linux vendors flat =
out refused to help. Theo de Raadt: Quite honestly I prefer chips which =
have no firmware, and instead use correctly designed hardware logic, =
which our driver must then drive.
The problem is that we define reverse engineering to apply to almost any =
situation where we lack vendor documentation.
There is nothing to stop them forking it or using older versions. Jeremy =
Andrews:  What are you majoring in at the university?
Chip docs, if I had them, would make this process easier.
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From:	"Nikola Butts" <ypdaaf@w .........>	Received:	Feb 12, 2007
To	<artoolkit-list@h ..................>
Subject:	elliptical
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