From: cyberoid@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)
Subject: IND: Kahaner Report: MITI Briefing on Real World Computing
Date: 31 Jan 92 17:59:24 GMT
Organization: Human Interface Technology Lab, Univ. of Wash., Seattle



Crossposted from comp.research.japan, wherein one can find the summary
text for the MITI Briefing.  You can also ftp it from the U of Arizona
archives, as indicated:

  [Dr. David Kahaner is a numerical analyst on sabbatical to the 
   Office of Naval Research-Asia (ONR Asia) in Tokyo from NIST.  The 
   following is the professional opinion of David Kahaner and in no 
   way has the blessing of the US Government or any agency of it.  All 
   information is dated and of limited life time.  This disclaimer should 
   be noted on ANY attribution.]

  [Copies of previous reports written by Kahaner can be obtained from
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From: David K. Kahaner, ONR Asia [kahaner@xroads.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp]
Re: MITI Briefing about Real World Computing Program, 29 Jan 1992
30 Jan 1992 .  This file is named "rwc1-92.brf"

ABSTRACT. A summary of the briefing given by MITI to foreign participants 
concerning the organization of the Real World Computing Program.

>From October 1991, Japan's new ten-year advanced computing program has 
been renamed from NIPT (New Information Processing Technologies) to RWC 
(Real World Computing). See my report on that subject, nipt11.91, 11 Nov
1991, and references included there.

On 29 Jan 1992, representatives of MITI held a briefing to explain to 
potential foreign participants their plans for how the program will be 
organized and managed. The briefing did NOT address itself to the 
technical aspects of the program. A draft of the technical issues (Master 
Plan) has also recently been circulated. A second meeting of the 
Feasibility Study Committee is scheduled for 18 Feb 1992, as is a two day 
workshop 2-3 March 1992, at which time the final Master Plan, including 
both technical and administrative aspects will be described.  

Two MITI representatives,
        Hidetaka Fukuda
        Deputy Director
        Industrial Electronics Division
        Machinery and Information Industries Bureau
        MITI
        1-3-1 Kasumigaseki, Tokyo 100
         Tel: +81-3-3501-1074, Fax: +81-3-3580-6073

and

        Yoshiki Mikami
        Director
        Information, Computer and Communications Policy Office
        MITI
        1-3-1 Kasumigaseki, Tokyo 100
         Tel: +81-3-3501-2964, Fax: +81-3-3580-6403

made the presentation, which was attended by Science Counsellors and/or
their representatives from
        Australia
        Canada
        France
        EC
        Germany
        Korea
        Netherlands
        Singapore
        UK
        US
Representatives from Italy and perhaps some other countries were invited 
by did not attend.

It was emphasized that the briefing was for the purpose of explaining the 
organization, rather than for consultation, although it was impossible 
for MITI to prevent a dialogue from occurring, as there were many details 
which were not spelled out, and perhaps not even known yet.  

The US Science Councellor to Japan, Dr. E. Malloy, pointed out that the 
US has decided not to participate in this program. Instead the US and 
Japan are in the midst of a feasibility study (to be completed Sept 1992) 
about the possibility of cooperation under the Joint US-Japan Science and 
Technology Agreement, of a rapid prototyping optical fabrication facility, 
modeled somewhat along the lines of the MOSIS project, currently run by 
USC for silicon devices. The US considers this an activity which is 
independent of the RWC program. Japan on the other hand may use part of 
the RWC budget to support the program if it goes forward. This caused a 
great deal of confusion among the foreign participants, who wondered to 
what extent budgets will be siphoned off for this project, and whether 
RWC organizational plans will be affected by it. In any case the Japanese 
emphasized that the US-Japan program is still under study, and if it goes 
forward, will be a small project.  

There was a long discussion concerning how foreign governments would
provide input to the organizational issues after the current briefing. A
working group meeting has been scheduled, but at today's meeting it was
announced to be only for MITI staff. Several foreign representatives
raised the point that MITI's earlier documentation specifically included
foreign participation in the working group. Eventually, MITI agreed to
consider the possibility of allowing foreign attendees, possibly as
observers or participants. It was obvious that they were concerned that
a large meeting with many nations represented would not accomplish much,
especially insofar as the topics relate to details of Japanese contract
law.  (The original agenda of the working group meetings does not
mention the Japanese legal system.) One participant explained to me that
his concern was that "no change has been announced at all to the people,
to whom the original plan had been announced." On the other hand the
Japanese have made it quite clear that RWC is considered to be a
Japanese domestic program which is supposed to have international
participation and cooperation. In other words the Japanese are putting
up the money. My own opinion is that they have every right to set the
rules. Other countries can participate or not, as they see these rules
as being in their self interest, or at least fair to their country. A
decision on foreign participation in the working group is to be made by
MITI next week.


BASIC PHILOSOPHY AND POLICY

It was emphasized that the primary goal of RWC is NOT to develop a
computer but instead to explore the basic technologies that are not yet
established but thought to be significant to the general area of
flexible information processing.  On the other hand, several forms of
new computer technology, including optical, neural, or massively
parallel, are seen as providing the computational basis for the actual
work that is going to be done. One important aspect of the computer work
will be system integration. The computational hardware will provide the
tools for higher level theoretical foundation work related to the basic
theory of flexible information processing, or soft logic, which is
viewed as the logic system carried out (unconsciously) by humans. This
in turn will allow research in higher level (but still elemental)
functions such as recognition, understanding, inference, problem
solving, autonomous and cooperative control, simulation and human
interface. At the top level it is hoped that these functions can be
integrated in an advanced way to provide genuinely "flexible"
information processing.

Comment. The soon to end 5th Generation project made very sweeping
promises ten years ago. Many of these have not yet been achieved. What
has come out is more like the "computational basis", i.e., the bottom
level.  Will the same happen to RWC in ten years?

MITI has established five policies for the RWC program. 

  * Flexible design of research organization. MITI realizes that the
program has many vague points. Thus to pursue a wide range of research
targets they will establish one central laboratory and some distributed
laboratories, along with a flexible collaboration between them. The
central lab will engage in research in important common themes, as well
as integration of the results from research conducted at the distributed
labs.

  * Promoting cooperation and interaction between researchers working at
the bottom level (providing computational base), theory, elementary
functions, and those at the very top level will be strongly encouraged.
The disconnect between the topic areas was widely commented on during
the November meeting in Yokohama. MITI promises to promote smooth
liaison between the groups during this program.

  * Stimulate competitive research. MITI admits that they do not really
know the right approach to many of the problems they want to solve, so
at least for the first half of the ten year program, competitive
approaches to the same target will be tested by different groups and
after five years, the results will be evaluated and research topics will
be selected and reorganized.

  * Promote international and interdisciplinary cooperation. Again it
was emphasized that this is basically a Japanese domestic program.
However international and interdisciplinary cooperation will be
necessary. MITI expects that the central lab will play an important role
in implementing international (horizontal) and industrial-governmental-
academic (vertical) research cooperation.

  * Better publicizing of the research results. Progress and results of
research should be openly reported to the public at conferences, and
symposia and workshops for distributing and exchanging information will
be held frequently. A question came up about the language of technical
results. MITI pointed out that as much as possible they would encourage
researchers to use English and that they would provided translators and
translations, but that many of the results would be expected to be in
Japanese (again Japanese domestic program).


ORGANIZATIONAL SCHEME

MITI views the organization as one that describes how both money and 
information flow.

  * MITI will provide money directly to the ETL (Electrotechnical
Laboratory), which is the government arm of the research program.

  * MITI will help set up a RWC Partnership. Partners can be either
foreign or Japanese individuals or corporations. Partners will pay an
initiation fee. The role of the Partnership will be to generate annual
research plans, provide the R&D infrastructure including the facilities
of the central laboratory, networks, etc., as well as manage procedures
regarding sub-contracting research and joint research. Members of the
Partnership will also carry out research.  MITI will provide money to
the Partnership. The Partnership can sub-contract and fund either
foreign or Japanese companies, research organizations, universities,
etc.

Budget. I wrote about budget plans in my report on the Yokohama meeting.
The MITI staff at the current meeting objected to these figures, saying
that they represented people's personal opinions. Perhaps, but this
question came up repeatedly in Yokohama and the figures I gave were
repeated to us by numerous Japanese in responsible positions. Expecting
people to discuss such a program without budget information is like
expecting kids to go to a birthday party and not watch the birthday
child open the presents. Fukuda explained that for FY92 (April 92-March
93) MITI has requested 900M Yen for RWC, including 200M Yen for the
optoelectronics program. If these figures seem low, please recall that
actual start of the program will not begin until spring 1993.

  * MITI feels that joint research can occur between ETL and the
Partnership, between ETL and subcontractors, and between subcontractors
and the Partnership. However, there is no funding for any of these joint
research possibilities except to the extent that subcontractors will be
funded by the Partnership for specific research. Joint research is thus
viewed as basically sharing of information. Several issues have not been
considered, such as will visitors to the central lab be charged for use
of facilities, or how to handle jointly funded projects (i.e., perhaps
a foreign lab funds its researchers to work on RWC-related activity, how
is collaboration to be managed).


PROMOTING COOPERATION AND FRUITS OF RESEARCH

As I reported several times last year, in May 1991 a Japanese law,
referred to informally as the "NEDO Act" was amended to encourage
international cooperation. In the context of RWC this applies only to
research consigned to the Partnership. (ETL is a government lab, and
thus all the research performed there is owned by the government.) The
changes in the law say that rights belong only partially to the contract
consignee, and that details are to be decided by a separate regulation.
The interpretation seems to be that up to 50% of the research will be
owned by the Partnership.  MITI explained that the "up to" part requires
that MITI negotiate with the Ministry of Finance for the exact
percentage. In addition, use of the government's share of the research
can be either free or at a low price (again MOF/MITI will have to
develop the details). The Partnership can make its own rules about how
ownership is to divided among the Partners.  There were many questions
centered around these issues. For example, we were told that only
overseas corporations were entitled to make use of this law, and that
there seemed to be a distinction between branches of foreign companies
in Japan, and XX Corp Japan. Finally, MITI pointed out that the law did
NOT cover software copyrights, which apparently are still to be owned by
the government.  There were also questions raised about license fees,
possession of patent and utility rights, and veto power over
co-ownership of patent rights. I prefer not to dwell on these, because
it was clear that many minor (although perhaps important) permutations
need to be considered.


SCHEDULE

Current plans are as follows.

March-April 1992: Final Master Plan announced with technical and 
                       administrative details and rough budget.

April 1992: Partnership solicited

June-July 1992: Partnership established (participation as a Partner after 
                       the Partnership is established is also possible).

Oct 1992:  Partnership invites subcontractors and recruits joint 
                       researchers, invites proposals, preparation of 
                       research facilities, labs, network, etc.  

End of(?) 1992: Deadline for application for subcontract proposals.

April 1993: Subcontract agreements and joint research agreements are 
                       concluded.
