Dear members,
 
a little time was needed to get familiar with the features of the list provider but now we should:
-be able to reply to the all list just by pushing "reply" and
 not "reply all"
-the subject of the ARforum emails should have [ARforum] at
 the beginning
 
Thanks 
 
Yohan 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: bandit 
To: arforum@t ......... 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Glasstron replacement

The two names I have for Canon are:
  eighta ono             ono.eita@c ..........
  yukio sakagawa    sakagawa.yukio@c ..........
They were at the booth.

io-display claims that they will start shipping $1K svga stereo in october [or else]
anyone up for holding their breath??

Is anyone else having problems with "reply" not going to arforum@t ......... ??

... bandit

Holger Regenbrecht wrote:


Hi Yohan,
as far as I know, there are no OST glasses (at least no _high-res_
versions), neither mono nor stereo on the market right now.
Perhaps on SIGGRAPH you have seen one of the several industrial prototypes
of Canon/Mixed Reality Systems Lab. They come in very different setups (w/ or
w/out built-in camera(s), ...). But I think, you cannot buy them. You can try
to put your name on a list at Canon/MRSL. Unfortunately I forgot the name of
the guy with the list to contact at Canon.

The alternatives right now are:
- use cheap Sony, Olympus, etc. glasses w/ low resolutions
- try to get used Sony glasses like the LDI-D100BE (stereo)
- same with Sony S-700E (mono)
- buy Cy-visors (800x600, mono), but absolutely not comparable in quality w/
Sony glasses!
- contact Canon (see above)
- ...wait for better times

I would very appreciate any hint to new gla!
sses!!!

Holger



  _____  


No - other than the canon prototype AR glasses with the built-in cameras (very trick..)
The Cy-visor isnt see-thru, as I recollect.

The io-displays are going to be stereo, but not see-thru.

... bandit

PS: I did a reply to your message && it was to you, not the mailing list.
Not sure why... b


yohan baillot wrote:


Hello Forum.
 
At Siggraph I have seen an ad for a (pseudo) see-through display with similar spec than the Glasstron LDI-B100 (stereo) but much cheaper. Does anybody recall seeing such a product? 
 
thanks
 
Yohan 


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see http://www.i-glasses.com/Store/SVGA.php3 for the details.
The page specifies:
Resolution: 800 x 600
Field of View: 26 Degrees Diagonal
Image Size: 76" at 13'
Color Depth: 24 Bit Input
IPD Adjustments: None Required
Focus: 13' TBR
Eye Relief: 25mm
Exit Pupil: 17mmH x 6mmV
Convergence: 7'10", 100% Overlap, TBR
VGA / SVGA / XVGA Input: Scaled to SVGA (800 x 600)
Video Input (Plug & Play): Composite / S-video Input
Stereo 3D Capable: Optional Feature
Refresh Rate: Flicker Free 120hz
Audio: Full Stereo
Weight: < 7 Ounces
Adjusts to Fit all Individuals
Control Features: On / Off, Volume Control
Power Supply: 100-240V AC Power Cube
HMD Cable Configuration: Audio: 1/8"
Power: Barrel Connector

Cost is $1K, $900 if you order now.

If they are true  to form, it will be frame sequential, but I have no 
specific details
See the website for those


I hit "reply" and I got Jason Jerald's address as the "to" address, not 
the mailing list

... bandit



Jason Jerald wrote:

> 
> Any idea what the field of view is for the the io-display hmds?  Also is
> it full stereo or field sequential?
> 
> no problem with the reply to arforum@t ......... assuming this goes
> through.
> 
> Jason
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, bandit wrote:
> 
>> The two names I have for Canon are:
>>   eighta ono             ono.eita@c ..........
>>   yukio sakagawa    sakagawa.yukio@c ..........
>> They were at the booth.
>> 
>> io-display claims that they will start shipping $1K svga stereo in
>> october [or else]
>> anyone up for holding their breath??
>> 
>> Is anyone else having problems with "reply" not going to
>> arforum@t ......... ??
>> 
>> ... bandit
>> 
>> Holger Regenbrecht wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Yohan,
>>> as far as I know, there are no OST glasses (at least no _high-res_
>>> versions), neither mono nor stereo on the market right now.
>>> Perhaps on SIGGRAPH you have seen one of the several industrial prototypes
>>> of Canon/Mixed Reality Systems Lab. They come in very different setups (w/ or
>>> w/out built-in camera(s), ...). But I think, you cannot buy them. You can try
>>> to put your name on a list at Canon/MRSL. Unfortunately I forgot the name of
>>> the guy with the list to contact at Canon.
>>> 
>>> The alternatives right now are:
>>> - use cheap Sony, Olympus, etc. glasses w/ low resolutions
>>> - try to get used Sony glasses like the LDI-D100BE (stereo)
>>> - same with Sony S-700E (mono)
>>> - buy Cy-visors (800x600, mono), but absolutely not comparable in quality w/
>>> Sony glasses!
>>> - contact Canon (see above)
>>> - ...wait for better times
>>> 
>>> I would very appreciate any hint to new glasses!!!
>>> 
>>> Holger
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> No - other than the canon prototype AR glasses with the built-in cameras
>>>> (very trick..)
>>>> The Cy-visor isnt see-thru, as I recollect.
>>>> 
>>>> The io-displays are going to be stereo, but not see-thru.
>>>> 
>>>> ... bandit
>>>> 
>>>> PS: I did a reply to your message && it was to you, not the mailing list.
>>>> Not sure why... b
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> yohan baillot wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Forum.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> At Siggraph I have seen an ad for a (pseudo) see-through display with
>>>>> similar spec than the Glasstron LDI-B100 (stereo) but much cheaper.
>>>>> Does anybody recall seeing such a product?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yohan
>>>>> 
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> No - other than the canon prototype AR glasses with the built-in
>>> cameras (very trick..)
>>> The Cy-visor isnt see-thru, as I recollect.
>>> 
>>> The io-displays are going to be stereo, but not see-thru.
>>> 
>>> ... bandit
>>> 
>>> PS: I did a reply to your message && it was to you, not the mailing list.
>>> Not sure why... b
>>> 
>>> 
>>> yohan baillot wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello Forum.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> At Siggraph I have seen an ad for a (pseudo) see-through display with
>>>> similar spec than the Glasstron LDI-B100 (stereo) but much cheaper.
>>>> Does anybody recall seeing such a product?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> thanks
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yohan
>>>> 
>>> attachment.htm
>>> 
>>> Content-Type:
>>> 
>>> text/html
>>> Content-Encoding:
>>> 
>>> 7bit
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

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I have a little more info:

Dave Graham of io-displays sez that they should handle both field and 
frame sequential
the 3d version will be available from the start.
the delay has been they need to get tooling for metal cases because they 
have enough
heat disapation issues they need the metal case as a heat sink.
However, Oct still looks good. They have everything in place except for 
the case.

Hot damn..... bandit

bandit wrote:

> see http://www.i-glasses.com/Store/SVGA.php3 for the details.
> The page specifies:
> Resolution: 800 x 600
> Field of View: 26 Degrees Diagonal
> Image Size: 76" at 13'
> Color Depth: 24 Bit Input
> IPD Adjustments: None Required
> Focus: 13' TBR
> Eye Relief: 25mm
> Exit Pupil: 17mmH x 6mmV
> Convergence: 7'10", 100% Overlap, TBR
> VGA / SVGA / XVGA Input: Scaled to SVGA (800 x 600)
> Video Input (Plug & Play): Composite / S-video Input
> Stereo 3D Capable: Optional Feature
> Refresh Rate: Flicker Free 120hz
> Audio: Full Stereo
> Weight: < 7 Ounces
> Adjusts to Fit all Individuals
> Control Features: On / Off, Volume Control
> Power Supply: 100-240V AC Power Cube
> HMD Cable Configuration: Audio: 1/8"
> Power: Barrel Connector
> 
> Cost is $1K, $900 if you order now.
> 
> If they are true  to form, it will be frame sequential, but I have no 
> specific details
> See the website for those
> 
> 
> I hit "reply" and I got Jason Jerald's address as the "to" address, 
> not the mailing list
> 
> .... bandit
> 
> 
> 
> Jason Jerald wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Any idea what the field of view is for the the io-display hmds?  Also is
>> it full stereo or field sequential?
>> 
>> no problem with the reply to arforum@t ......... assuming this goes
>> through.
>> 
>> Jason
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, bandit wrote:
>> 
>>> The two names I have for Canon are:
>>>   eighta ono             ono.eita@c ..........
>>>   yukio sakagawa    sakagawa.yukio@c ..........
>>> They were at the booth.
>>> 
>>> io-display claims that they will start shipping $1K svga stereo in
>>> october [or else]
>>> anyone up for holding their breath??
>>> 
>>> Is anyone else having problems with "reply" not going to
>>> arforum@t ......... ??
>>> 
>>> ... bandit
>>> 
>>> Holger Regenbrecht wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Yohan,
>>>> as far as I know, there are no OST glasses (at least no _high-res_
>>>> versions), neither mono nor stereo on the market right now.
>>>> Perhaps on SIGGRAPH you have seen one of the several industrial 
>>>> prototypes
>>>> of Canon/Mixed Reality Systems Lab. They come in very different 
>>>> setups (w/ or
>>>> w/out built-in camera(s), ...). But I think, you cannot buy them. 
>>>> You can try
>>>> to put your name on a list at Canon/MRSL. Unfortunately I forgot 
>>>> the name of
>>>> the guy with the list to contact at Canon.
>>>> 
>>>> The alternatives right now are:
>>>> - use cheap Sony, Olympus, etc. glasses w/ low resolutions
>>>> - try to get used Sony glasses like the LDI-D100BE (stereo)
>>>> - same with Sony S-700E (mono)
>>>> - buy Cy-visors (800x600, mono), but absolutely not comparable in 
>>>> quality w/
>>>> Sony glasses!
>>>> - contact Canon (see above)
>>>> - ...wait for better times
>>>> 
>>>> I would very appreciate any hint to new glasses!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Holger
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> No - other than the canon prototype AR glasses with the built-in 
>>>>> cameras
>>>>> (very trick..)
>>>>> The Cy-visor isnt see-thru, as I recollect.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The io-displays are going to be stereo, but not see-thru.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ... bandit
>>>>> 
>>>>> PS: I did a reply to your message && it was to you, not the 
>>>>> mailing list.
>>>>> Not sure why... b
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> yohan baillot wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Forum.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At Siggraph I have seen an ad for a (pseudo) see-through display 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> similar spec than the Glasstron LDI-B100 (stereo) but much cheaper.
>>>>>> Does anybody recall seeing such a product?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yohan
>>>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> No - other than the canon prototype AR glasses with the built-in
>>>> cameras (very trick..)
>>>> The Cy-visor isnt see-thru, as I recollect.
>>>> 
>>>> The io-displays are going to be stereo, but not see-thru.
>>>> 
>>>> ... bandit
>>>> 
>>>> PS: I did a reply to your message && it was to you, not the mailing 
>>>> list.
>>>> Not sure why... b
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> yohan baillot wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Forum.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> At Siggraph I have seen an ad for a (pseudo) see-through display with
>>>>> similar spec than the Glasstron LDI-B100 (stereo) but much cheaper.
>>>>> Does anybody recall seeing such a product?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yohan
>>>>> 
>>>> attachment.htm
>>>> 
>>>> Content-Type:
>>>> 
>>>> text/html
>>>> Content-Encoding:
>>>> 
>>>> 7bit
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Anyone have news on SVGA (or higher) _see-through_ glasses that support
stereo?
Most of our work is done using optical see-through like the high-end
glasstron.

Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: "bandit" <bandit@c .........>
To: <arforum@t .........>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ARFORUM] Glasstron replacement


> I have a little more info:
>
> Dave Graham of io-displays sez that they should handle both field and
> frame sequential
> the 3d version will be available from the start.
> the delay has been they need to get tooling for metal cases because they
> have enough
> heat disapation issues they need the metal case as a heat sink.
> However, Oct still looks good. They have everything in place except for
> the case.
>
> Hot damn..... bandit
>
> bandit wrote:
>
> > see http://www.i-glasses.com/Store/SVGA.php3 for the details.
> > The page specifies:
> > Resolution: 800 x 600
> > Field of View: 26 Degrees Diagonal
> > Image Size: 76" at 13'
> > Color Depth: 24 Bit Input
> > IPD Adjustments: None Required
> > Focus: 13' TBR
> > Eye Relief: 25mm
> > Exit Pupil: 17mmH x 6mmV
> > Convergence: 7'10", 100% Overlap, TBR
> > VGA / SVGA / XVGA Input: Scaled to SVGA (800 x 600)
> > Video Input (Plug & Play): Composite / S-video Input
> > Stereo 3D Capable: Optional Feature
> > Refresh Rate: Flicker Free 120hz
> > Audio: Full Stereo
> > Weight: < 7 Ounces
> > Adjusts to Fit all Individuals
> > Control Features: On / Off, Volume Control
> > Power Supply: 100-240V AC Power Cube
> > HMD Cable Configuration: Audio: 1/8"
> > Power: Barrel Connector
> >
> > Cost is $1K, $900 if you order now.
> >
> > If they are true  to form, it will be frame sequential, but I have no
> > specific details
> > See the website for those
> >
> >
> > I hit "reply" and I got Jason Jerald's address as the "to" address,
> > not the mailing list
> >
> > .... bandit
> >
> >
> >
> > Jason Jerald wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Any idea what the field of view is for the the io-display hmds?  Also
is
> >> it full stereo or field sequential?
> >>
> >> no problem with the reply to arforum@t ......... assuming this goes
> >> through.
> >>
> >> Jason
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, bandit wrote:
> >>
> >>> The two names I have for Canon are:
> >>>   eighta ono             ono.eita@c ..........
> >>>   yukio sakagawa    sakagawa.yukio@c ..........
> >>> They were at the booth.
> >>>
> >>> io-display claims that they will start shipping $1K svga stereo in
> >>> october [or else]
> >>> anyone up for holding their breath??
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone else having problems with "reply" not going to
> >>> arforum@t ......... ??
> >>>
> >>> ... bandit
> >>>
> >>> Holger Regenbrecht wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Yohan,
> >>>> as far as I know, there are no OST glasses (at least no _high-res_
> >>>> versions), neither mono nor stereo on the market right now.
> >>>> Perhaps on SIGGRAPH you have seen one of the several industrial
> >>>> prototypes
> >>>> of Canon/Mixed Reality Systems Lab. They come in very different
> >>>> setups (w/ or
> >>>> w/out built-in camera(s), ...). But I think, you cannot buy them.
> >>>> You can try
> >>>> to put your name on a list at Canon/MRSL. Unfortunately I forgot
> >>>> the name of
> >>>> the guy with the list to contact at Canon.
> >>>>
> >>>> The alternatives right now are:
> >>>> - use cheap Sony, Olympus, etc. glasses w/ low resolutions
> >>>> - try to get used Sony glasses like the LDI-D100BE (stereo)
> >>>> - same with Sony S-700E (mono)
> >>>> - buy Cy-visors (800x600, mono), but absolutely not comparable in
> >>>> quality w/
> >>>> Sony glasses!
> >>>> - contact Canon (see above)
> >>>> - ...wait for better times
> >>>>
> >>>> I would very appreciate any hint to new glasses!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Holger
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> No - other than the canon prototype AR glasses with the built-in
> >>>>> cameras
> >>>>> (very trick..)
> >>>>> The Cy-visor isnt see-thru, as I recollect.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The io-displays are going to be stereo, but not see-thru.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ... bandit
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PS: I did a reply to your message && it was to you, not the
> >>>>> mailing list.
> >>>>> Not sure why... b
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> yohan baillot wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello Forum.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At Siggraph I have seen an ad for a (pseudo) see-through display
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>> similar spec than the Glasstron LDI-B100 (stereo) but much cheaper.
> >>>>>> Does anybody recall seeing such a product?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yohan
> >>>>>>
>
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> No - other than the canon prototype AR glasses with the built-in
> >>>> cameras (very trick..)
> >>>> The Cy-visor isnt see-thru, as I recollect.
> >>>>
> >>>> The io-displays are going to be stereo, but not see-thru.
> >>>>
> >>>> ... bandit
> >>>>
> >>>> PS: I did a reply to your message && it was to you, not the mailing
> >>>> list.
> >>>> Not sure why... b
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> yohan baillot wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello Forum.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At Siggraph I have seen an ad for a (pseudo) see-through display
with
> >>>>> similar spec than the Glasstron LDI-B100 (stereo) but much cheaper.
> >>>>> Does anybody recall seeing such a product?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yohan
> >>>>>
> >>>> attachment.htm
> >>>>
> >>>> Content-Type:
> >>>>
> >>>> text/html
> >>>> Content-Encoding:
> >>>>
> >>>> 7bit
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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